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Infertility. Pregnancy loss. Childlessness not by choice.
If you and your spouse are walking this road, you know the grief is real and the strain on your marriage can be significant. The questions are constant, and the future can feel uncertain.
Barren Not Broken is a podcast from Legacy Place, a ministry devoted to encouraging and equipping couples navigating infertility, loss, and childlessness. Our heart is to help marriages thrive, not just survive, and to empower couples to shape a legacy that reaches beyond their circumstances.
Hosted by Jason and BonnieRuth Rolf, married 25 years, who experienced 19 years of infertility, three miscarriages, and now live as a childless couple not by choice but by circumstance, they have redefined and they're living a legacy centered on a happy & healthy marriage.
This podcast offers honest conversations and real stories from couples and trusted professionals who understand this journey firsthand.
Each episode provides practical tools to strengthen communication, navigate grief together, and rediscover connection in the middle of heartache. You will find encouragement for the hard days, clarity for the next step, and hope that a healthy marriage and a beautiful legacy are still possible.
Because no matter the barren places in our lives, we do not have to live broken.
Podcast Description
Infertility. Pregnancy loss. Childlessness not by choice.
If you and your spouse are walking this road, you know the grief is real and the strain on your marriage can be significant. The questions are constant, and the future can feel uncertain.
Barren Not Broken is a podcast from Legacy Place, a ministry devoted to encouraging and equipping couples navigating infertility, loss, and childlessness. Our heart is to help marriages thrive, not just survive, and to empower couples to shape a legacy that reaches beyond their circumstances.
Hosted by Jason and BonnieRuth Rolf, married 25 years, who experienced 19 years of infertility, three miscarriages, and now live as a childless couple not by choice but by circumstance, they have redefined and they're living a legacy centered on a happy & healthy marriage.
This podcast offers honest conversations and real stories from couples and trusted professionals who understand this journey firsthand.
Each episode provides practical tools to strengthen communication, navigate grief together, and rediscover connection in the middle of heartache. You will find encouragement for the hard days, clarity for the next step, and hope that a healthy marriage and a beautiful legacy are still possible.
Because no matter the barren places in our lives, we do not have to live broken.
Episodes

Jul 9, 2025
What We Didn’t Know We Needed
Jul 9, 2025
Jul 9, 2025
35 min
In this heartfelt and honest episode, Jason and BonnieRuth share their personal story—24 years of marriage, 19 of those spent navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, and ultimately, childlessness. They open up about the unexpected lessons, the deep pain, and the surprising growth they experienced along the way.
This episode offers both practical and spiritual tools for couples walking through similar struggles. With vulnerability and hope, they speak to the reality that no couple imagines this path when they say “I do,” but it’s a journey that doesn’t have to define or defeat you.
Whether you’re in the thick of it or supporting someone who is, this episode is filled with encouragement, empathy, and real-life insight to help you discover what you didn’t know you needed.

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